Category: Flashman’s Take

Fleshman’s take on NASCAR

  • After Atlanta the Jury is Still Out

    After Atlanta the Jury is Still Out

    There have been two races run in the 2016 NASCAR Sprint cup season. One, the Daytona 500, is a crapshoot. There is nothing that can be taken from that race that will apply anywhere but at the World Center of Racing and Talladega Super Speedway. Atlanta is a different animal, or was it? What I saw was drivers sawing the wheel and cars slipping around, with the wearing out of tires and cars going fast until the tires wore out and the guy who had the newest tires passing everyone. Unfortunately, it was the same five or six cars.

    The drivers were almost giddy when asked about NASCAR’s latest “aerodynamic package.” Even those who finished poorly sang the praises of how their cars drove. A common refrain was, “I had a blast.” Too bad the fans didn’t, or did they?

    For those longing for the good old days, they may have gotten for what they asked. Some cars were so superior that some cars, even some of the good ones, were lapped. Daytona 500 champion Denny Hamlin was one of them, two laps down at the end. In fact, there were only 12 cars who were on the lead lap when the race ended. Ten more were two laps down and the last running car was 18 laps down. Shades of 1978. In addition to Hamlin, others laps down included Jamie McMurray, Kyle Larson, Kasey Kahne, and Trevor Bayne.

    Of course, it can be argued that Atlanta Motor Speedway doesn’t tell us anything. The track is worn out and eats tires. Forty laps were all most anyone could get out of them. Complicating this whole mess is only 39 showed up to qualify. There were 40 places in the field. Maybe many of the lesser teams knew what was going to happen and just didn’t show up.

    In the end, Jimmie Johnson won going away and fan favorite Dale Earnhardt Jr. was second. Rookie Chase Elliott finished in the top 10. That was very close to a Hendrick sweep. Meanwhile, other teams were left scratching their heads, with the hope that heading west will give everyone a clearer picture. Atlanta was as confounding as Daytona in finding out what this new package will do to make racing better. The grade at Atlanta is a failing one, but there is hope California will give us insight. If not, it may be a long season.

  • The Wood Brothers Get Left Out

    The Wood Brothers Get Left Out

    It’s a big shock to me. I have been trying to word a column about Wood Brothers Racing which came from the Charlotte Motor Speedway Media Tour a couple of weeks ago, and then the news of the Charter system came down and everything said just went away.

    The elated Woods were finally embarking on a long awaited full season with Ryan Blaney and a solid relationship with Team Penske, and then they found out that the Charter system, initiated by Rob Kaufffman, formerly the money behind Michael Waltrip Racing, was all in favor of Kauffman and not with the most historic team in the series. It bears watching.

    Wood Brothers Racing goes back to the beginning of NASCAR. Financial matters have relegated the team to a part-time team over the last few years. Never forget that the Woods ran an abbreviated schedule for years, but had a full-time team over many seasons. When financing dried up, they did what they had to do—run less races. The Woods are not rich. Despite much success over the years, they aren’t Rick Hendrick or Jack Roush or Roger Penske. They raced to win, but they did it on a budget that allowed them to be successful.

    The rules that the group that evolved the charter system looked at were only over the last few years. The criteria did not meet what the Woods had done. Funny, since we’ve discarded all history from the series from abandoning North Wilkesboro to closing Rockingham to taking a second date from Darlington, it should have been accepted. Trouble is that one thing goes unnoticed. Rob Kauffman came out golden. Probably since he was he instigator of the movement, it went his way.

    Notice that Kauffman was a principal In Michael Waltrip Racing. It is a defunct team that had already announced that they were closing far before the season ended. They get two charters which they can sell to rumored Richard Childress Racing and Joe Gibbs Racing. More money for Kauffman, unlike the Wood Brothers who worked for over 60 seasons and were very successful. The record of MWR is not even close to the Woods. Witness how Jeff Gordon was added to the Chase when that same MWR was found cheating at Richmond. Witness how Kyle Busch was allowed to compete for a championship which he won while missing 12 races. More recent events, like allowing Brian Vickers to compete in the Sprint Unlimited. Those rules were bent, but the Woods didn’t deserve a charter because the “rules were the rules?” Have mercy. I’m sure the Woods will make any race, but can you really wrap your head around how some of the teams deserved charter status?

    Maybe that question should be asked of NASCAR and maybe even Rob Kauffman. It’s a sign of the times, unfortunately. The golden rule is now those that have the gold make the rules.

  • Robert Yates Racing and Roush Fenway Racing…A similar Decline?

    Robert Yates Racing and Roush Fenway Racing…A similar Decline?

    The 2015 season is over and Kyle Busch is the champion for this year. It was a tremendous fête, missing 11 races and still winning five races and coming home the champ. Congratulations to Kyle, but something very troubling is going on in the sport. It’s almost like we turned back the clock to 2006.

    Robert Yates Racing was a force in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series. After buying the team from Harry Rainer, he put Davey Allison in the car and a lot of magic was produced. Allison would have been a multiple champion, but his death cut his career short, yet Yates continued winning. Whether it was Ernie Irvan (who also had devastating injuries) or Dale Jarrett, his cars were fast and dominating. Jarrett won the championship in 1999 in his No. 88 Ford and then something happened.

    I remember traveling to the October Martinsville Speedway race in 2006, and the big story was Dale Jarrett and Elliott Sadler, Yates’ two very successful drivers, were moving on from the team to other opportunities. The reason? Engineering. While other teams like Hendrick Motorsports, Joe Gibbs Racing, and Roush Fenway Racing had moved to the engineering model for their teams, Yates had fallen far behind which could be witnessed in their last couple of seasons. Robert Yates finally closed after a short alliance with Richard Petty and it was no more. This is so familiar that it seems eerie.

    Roush Fenway Racing had become the top team for Ford in the Sprint Cup Series. Roush had a few championships and cars that competed in every race. When the Car of Tomorrow was introduced, the RFR teams had a hard time catching up. Roush blamed it on opposition teams not following the rules which left the RFR team behind. It was also mentioned that the computer software was not up to snuff. Sound familiar?

    The last two years, RFR has found their teams behind. So much so that in that period of time, only Carl Edwards has won a race. After Matt Kenseth bolted for Joe Gibbs earlier, Carl Edwards followed. Roush formed his team in 2015 with veteran Greg Biffle, XFINITY Champ Ricky Stenhouse Jr. and Trevor Bayne. None of them were competitive.

    The Wood Brothers dropped their alliance with RFR and went with Team Penske, who became super competitive with the same Ford engines. Richard Petty Motorsports followed. There was more talk of outdated computer simulation software. Jack Roush was asked if the Penske people could share information with his team and his answer was the suspension setup which was so different, it wasn’t compatible.

    Interesting that the Wood Brothers No. 21 team became more competitive in 2015 and Richard Petty Motorsports’ No. 43 car outran all of the RFR cars. If the earlier discussion about Robert Yates Racing is true, we have another truth here. For five years, Roush Fenway Racing, the flagship of Ford Motor Company, has been in decline, and now there seems to be no end to their misery. Will we see the demise of that dynasty in 2016 or will the organization go the way of Robert Yates Racing?

    For the good of the sport, NASCAR needs Jack Roush. If we had 43 Toyota Camry’s and Chevrolet SS’s only around the track, NASCAR might as well close shop. There must be competition. While Roger Penske’s organization holds down the fort for the Blue Oval now, his loyalty shifts from time to time. It was once said of Roush that if you cracked open his head, blue ovals would fall out. Let’s hope that the RFR teams,at least, become competitive in 2016.

  • NASCAR Must Do Something on Tuesday

    NASCAR Must Do Something on Tuesday

    What I saw at Martinsville Speedway on Sunday made me sick to my stomach. It ruined what otherwise was a good weekend at the track, the marvelous speedway that should be a blueprint for what racing should be. Everyone knows the story by now. Matt Kenseth decided to retaliate and knock the leader out of the race—on purpose. You may say I can’t prove that, but actions speak louder than words.

    I’ve been following this sport longer than many people have been alive. I’ve seen retaliation, but nothing on this scale. I can’t remember an action that changed the entire championship situation just to get even. Before you say Dale Earnhardt did it or Carl Edwards did it, that is not the case. Earnhardt’s actions were usually going for a win. This was blatant and uncalled for.

    It all started last year. The altercations started when the usually mild-mannered Kenseth chased Brad Keselowski and put him in a headlock over relatively minor rubbing. Several drivers applauded that action and others against the opposition drivers. It started to boil when Kenseth was spun by Joey Logano at Kansas Speedway two weeks ago. Kenseth never got over it, said he wouldn’t talk to Logano, and continued with some pointed radio transmissions at Talladega. It was eating him alive.

    During Sunday’s race on a restart, Keselowski was tagged from behind trying to let teammate Logano get back to the lead and Kenseth got tagged. These were basically racing accidents, but Kenseth could not let it go and planned his revenge. In the later stages of the race, with Logano leading and pulling away, Kenseth took his disabled car back into the fray. Going slow, he waited until Logano passed on the outside and turned directly into him, shoving him up to the wall and destroying his Ford Fusion and probably taking him out of the championship picture. He used the excuse that a tire went down and he couldn’t turn his car. Sitting in the press box looking down on the track and the accident just below me, that wasn’t the case. It was revenge and something that should not be a part of the sport I’ve loved for a half century.

    NASCAR needs to act swiftly and put an end to this. Part of the problem is the elimination feature of The Chase. Drivers will do things that they probably wouldn’t otherwise, but this crossed a very narrow line. Kenseth should be parked this weekend at Texas, levied a hefty fine and docked championship points. This cannot continue if the sport wants to remain professional and draw fans. Larry McReynolds, who was crew chief for Dale Earnhardt simply said it best today on Dave Moody’s Speedway show on SiriusXM radio.

    “If they only give him (Kenseth) probation, which means absolutely nothing, I’m going to the nearest trash can and throw up,” McReynolds said.

  • Talladega Lived Up To Its Strange Past

    Talladega Lived Up To Its Strange Past

    The championship playoff known as the Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup has had more turns that a West Virginia mountain, but Sunday’s CampingWorld.com 500 at Talladega Superspeedway took the cake. It all happened at the end of the race and it changed who would vie for the crown over the last three races before heading to Homestead and the final four. Dale Earnhardt Jr. had the best car all day when he wasn’t botching pit stops.

    Earnhardt is probably the best driver at Talladega. He apparently inherited his father’s ability to see the air because he led the most laps and seemed to have no other driver he couldn’t pass. It was in the later stage of the race that Joey Logano got the lead and it was only just a matter of time before Earnhardt was going to pass him, except it didn’t happen due to some really strange circumstances. With only four laps to go, Jamie McMurray lost an engine bringing out only the second caution all day. That ensured there would be a green-white-checker finish, and with the new rule for this race, it was one and done. No matter what happened, during the final laps, the race would end. Then it got really weird.

    Earlier, at Lap 172, when most pitted, Greg Biffle stayed out and gambled that he would have enough fuel to finish the race and steal a win. Biffle was so far ahead, it looked like his plan might work until the caution flag flew. That bunched up the field and Biffle now found himself back in a pack of superior cars. Biffle had to pit for fuel and his dream was over. He finished 20th.

    The two tries to finish the race were even stranger. When the first attempt at a finish started, cars getting together in the back of the field caused NASCAR to wave it off and said it wasn’t really an attempt. Stranger, the green light can be seen on the flag stand, but one more try was ordered. After a long caution period, another attempt was made—technically the first attempt. Before the cars could get to Turn 1, the big one finally happened. With Kevin Harvick not having enough power in his failing engine, he couldn’t get up to speed. Trevor Bayne tried to pass him on the outside, but once Bayne was almost by him, Harvick seemed to turn right, clip Bayne and create the only “big one” of the day. It involved the cars of Denny Hamlin, Michael McDowell, Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Danica Patrick, Austin Dillon, Sam Hornish, Bayne, and Alex Bowman. Hamlin was eliminated from the Chase.

    Hamlin, Bayne, and Kenseth pointed fingers are Harvick since the only way he was going to get to the next round was to have an additional caution. NASCAR Vice Chair Mike Helton, after meeting with representatives from Joe Gibbs Racing and Stewart-Haas Racing said they could find no evidence that Harvick had done anything wrong unless something came up this week. Harvick denied any wrongdoing.

    So, after last week’s controversial win, Logano had another controversial win. It’s clear that Kenseth hasn’t gotten over that tap from Logano last week, as he threatened to beat him up when an early pit stop got dicey. Kenseth seemed to cool at the end after his day was over and no beating occurred. The final result showed Hamlin, Ryan Newman, Earnhardt, and Kenseth eliminated, with Logano, Edwards, Gordon, Kurt Busch, Brad Keselowski, Martin Truex Jr., and Kyle Busch left to compete for the title.

    Much will be said about the last two races, but a few things are clear. Team Penske drivers Logano and Keselowski are always near the front and Logano has shown the skill to be at the front at the end of races. Jeff Gordon has speed, but will it continue? With his expertise on mile and a half tracks, he could be a factor. The rest are only dependent on what happens to those favorites, but after the last two weeks, you can’t count anything out.

  • My How Times Have Changed — Logano and the Chase

    My How Times Have Changed — Logano and the Chase

    “If it comes down to Homestead and he is one of the four and maybe somebody else isn’t, they ain’t going to make it easy on him,” Kenseth crew chief Jason Ratcliff said. “Are they going to wreck him? No. I don’t think anybody would do that. It’s just uncalled for regardless of the situation.

    “But it ain’t going to be no cakewalk, either.”

    And so it has come to this. Back in the day (well, years ago), there was a great driver named Dale Earnhardt. There were others, of course. Cale Yarborough and Richard Petty readily come to mind as well as many others, but too many to name who lived by the rule of doing what had to be done to win a race. Many were at Bristol so long ago when Earnhardt punted Terry Labonte to win a race. He just rattled his cage, you know. He was cheered.

    It’s certain the cries from the new breed of NASCAR fan will be loud and furious. Logano is not the most popular driver in the garage anyway. Most fans remember his father, Tom, taking up for him in various situations and it just didn’t set well with fans of the sport who appreciate manly men. It’s tough to be a manly man at 18 or 19, but that’s how Logano was judged when he took over the No. 20 ride from the ultimate manly man, Tony Stewart. And Tony didn’t have his father following him around.

    Since then, Logano fell in love, got married, and has become a tough racer. He’s now 25 years old. He has won 10 races the last two years and he and his teammate, Brad Keselowski are continuously picked on by the so-called stars of the sport. Last season, Keselowski made moves that not only upset the usually docile Kenseth, but none other than Jeff Gordon. If Earnhardt or Yarborough had made the same moves, people would have cheered. These days, it’s not so much hard racing as it is knowing your pecking order. It was funny to hear Denny Hamlin, Kenseth’s teammate, say he would rather be respected by his peers than win a championship. I’m sure Cale and Richard and Ironhead would be appalled.

    The Chase apparently has different rules. In the NFL, MLB, and the NBA, there are playoffs, but once you beat someone, you don’t have to play them again. In NASCAR, everybody plays, so if one of Kenseth’s teammates drops out, they can play enforcer to Logano. Back when people were leaving tickets to Bristol in their wills and finding a ticket to the Southern 500 was difficult, NASCAR was the hottest ticket in town. It’s not that way anymore, and today we saw one reason why.

    Yes, the economy tanked, but with gasoline at 2.15 a gallon and ticket prices stabilizing, folks aren’t coming back. The campgrounds at Charlotte were nearly empty last week. It’s the product. Until that changes, things will not get better for the sport we all love.

  • RIP Buddy Baker

    RIP Buddy Baker

    I awoke this morning to a great shock when I learned that Buddy Baker had passed on so swiftly. It was only about six weeks ago when I heard Buddy had inoperable cancer and would be leaving his Sirius Satellite Radio program he co-hosted with Brad Gillie. It’s easy for me to say that personally the loss is devastating, but more so to NASCAR. Buddy was unique.

    I first met Buddy Baker in the press box at North Carolina Speedway in October of 1996. Buddy was then part of the crew broadcasting the races on the TNT television network. Having been a fan since I was a kid, and listening to the stories he was telling, showed me a side of Buddy that I didn’t know since I had only seen him on television or on the race track. He was one of my favorites from the early 1960’s until he quit driving in 1992.

    Somehow, I got the courage to approach him that weekend and shake his hand. It was quite a thrill since I was new to being a “citizen journalist” with the old Compuserve Network’s Motor Racing Forum. What I found was a surprisingly shy man who had tons of stories to tell. I ran into him again later at the same track, but this time he was at the Penske Racing hauler where I lamented that he was no longer doing television.

    He commented, “I miss it, too,” and he chatted for a few minutes. Those two meetings were the first of many at tracks like Martinsville or Charlotte. The last time I saw him was during the 2013 Sprint Cup Media Tour at the NASCAR Hall of Fame. I told him I enjoyed his shows with Gillie and Jim Noble and his eye lit up and you could tell he just happy that he could still be a part of the sport he loved.

    Buddy may be gone, but the memories remain. Being the first driver to reach 200 mph in a NASCAR stocker, his 1980 Daytona 500 win and the first Busch Clash where “Old Leadfoot” smoked the field are seared in my brain. Over the last few years, other than a chance meeting at Martinsville a couple of years ago, I didn’t see him at a track, but someone’s conversation always turned to Buddy and one of his many stories. It’s sad that the younger generation will never know what it was like to see Buddy race. He was special.

    I’m lobbying right now for Buddy to be put in his rightful place in the NASCAR Hall of Fame. When I proposed that in 2013, he almost blushed saying it was just an honor to be included in the nominees. That’s not good enough for me. He belongs in the Hall.

  • Why the Scream for More Road and Dirt?

    Why the Scream for More Road and Dirt?

    It is a big week for NASCAR. First we had Eldora and over the weekend Indianapolis. I guess I’m pondering the great love affair with a truck race on dirt and the revival of the road race. Once upon a time, the fan base hated road courses and didn’t acknowledge dirt tracks because they were “minor league.” That’s part of the change that grips our sport.

    I have to admit I didn’t watch much of the race at Eldora. I started following NASCAR back in 1964 when I was but a babe. It was always exciting to go to Riverside to start the season a month ahead of Daytona because it got us racing early. Most didn’t pay much attention to the race. You could get the race on the radio if you happened to live in the South on the Universal Radio Network (or some other network I don’t remember). I used to drive over to Covington, Virginia so I could get the race on a Roanoke station because that was the only option. It wasn’t anyone’s favorite. Many said that the big stock cars weren’t suited for road courses and it was a non-NASCAR thing. Times have changed.

    The dirt trackers were always considered beneath the mighty NASCAR paved tracks because the stock cars presented speed and cars you could recognize on the street. It had a cult following, but nothing more. It was a minor league that most in the southeast just didn’t care about. They left that to USAC and ignored it. Once again, times have changed.

    Today, it seems all of the world of NASCAR is screaming for more road races, even one in The Almighty Chase. Now, everyone wants the Sprint Cup cars and Xfinity cars to run on dirt. Yeah, they used to but that was decades ago. A better question is why? I think there are answers.

    For what seems like forever, racing has seemed almost mundane and boring. In the era after Dale Earnhardt was killed and the development of the super teams, things got stale. Those of us who grew up with the sport still followed it. Trouble was, it was always Gibbs, Childress, Penske, Roush, and the Hendrick machine. Yes, sometimes an Aric Almirola or David Ragan or Jamie McMurray or Martin Truex Jr. would win, but everyone knew that was about it. NASCAR limited organizations to four teams, but the result stayed the same. Winners will always come from these teams.

    The Chase was created and not much changed. The new rules package with winning being paramount still didn’t change much. Aero push made sure the guy in front was going to have an advantage and Rick Hendrick slyly increased his stable to eight teams with the addition of Stewart-Hass Racing. In the meantime, Roush fell from grace and then there were only a few teams with any chance of winning. Boredom set in, attendance suffered, and seats were ripped up.

    Enter Eldora and captivating races at Watkins Glen and Sonoma. Allmendinger and Ambrose won. It was different and exciting. With us older fans dying off or getting too old to attend, youngsters like the fact that different winners and four-wide racing was exciting. Thus, the cry for more dirt and road races.

    The last thing I want to see is more road races. Sirius XM and many fans are clamoring to let the major series have more races. The problem seems to be that the top series is just not that interesting. XFINITY is doing its part. New stars like Chris Beuscher, Erik Jones, and Ryan Reed makes it fresh and exciting even if Penske, Gibbs, Roush, and Childress have the best-funded teams. The truck series continues to have the best racing. It’s no surprise that it’s the less funded series.

    Watching dirt races and road courses are not my cup of tea, but that’s just me. Maybe the sanctioning body should continue to look at the premier series a little closer. All the changes haven’t made for better competition though they are trying hard. Could it be that the new package at Indy will change that? I’m excited to see if that is the case.

  • New Packages for NASCAR?  I’m Impressed.

    New Packages for NASCAR? I’m Impressed.

    Staying away from commenting on the rules package at Kentucky Speedway has been tough, but seeing what the long-term reaction might be was more important. From my eyes, it appeared that the racing at Kentucky was better than the previous races at the Sparta, Kentucky track. The statistics bear that out and the eye test was overwhelmingly positive. Drivers loved it and all the slipping and sliding was entertaining to most fans.

    The problem NASCAR was trying to fix was the seemingly impossible task of passing on the mile and a half tracks. Many fans and drivers saw the same thing. Once a driver gained clean air, it was almost impossible to pass near the front. The package seemed to have worked, but NASCAR is still working on the final package. The sanctioning body gets a high mark for this experiment. Fans can only hope that a similar package will be instituted next year.

    This week, another rules package will be tried at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. This package is described as a high drag package. Since NASCAR has been going to the Brickyard, boring races have been the rule. IMS is narrow and huge, allowing those with the perfect setup to run away and hide. We’ve seen that for years. This package should delete that phenomenon and make racing closer and allow more passing. We will soon see this weekend. If IndyCars can put on a great, and many argue, a better show on Memorial Day weekend than at Charlotte Motor Speedway, it was time for some changes to be made.

    The success of the Kentucky package and if the Indy package is even more successful, means that things could be very exciting for this weekend’s race. The Brickyard race should be special during the NASCAR schedule. For years through tire problems and bland racing, attendance has been horrid. There’s no doubt that the mere size of the venue causes much of that feeling, but race attendance has been shrinking for the once named Brickyard 400. Losing this event would be devastating to NASCAR.

    Will the new packages be used in The Chase? That is a good question. Though statements have been made saying that the changes are for 2016, with the much-improved racing at Kentucky and with the number of mile and a half tracks in The Chase, NASCAR will be tempted to make the change for the final  10 races. Time will tell and we should know soon, but if it gives us better racing and more passing, it’s a no-brainer. Watching Brad Keselowski’s pit crew make mistake after mistake and seeing Keselowski get back to the front each time was enough for me to endorse that package. Hopefully, the Indy package will give us more of the same. That’s a win-win for everyone.

  • Why I Hold My Breath at Talladega

    Why I Hold My Breath at Talladega

    Everyone is excited about Talladega. Well, everyone but me. Put me in the David Poole camp that basically believes that there is no racing going on there, only holding on and hoping for the best.

    Even though short tracks (probably because we have so few of them) have come into favor recently, the majority of people I come in contact with love plate racing. When pressed for an answer why, they somehow tiptoe around the violence and talk about the competition and close racing, which by the way leads to the violence. I’m certain I am in the minority for that view.

    As one who was there to see Bobby Allison’s car hit the frontstretch catch-fence and nearly go into the crowd, I understand the need for plate racing even if plates have been replaced by tapered spacers. It has still happened to Carl Edwards and others, but it is less likely. I tend to hold my breath for the worst to happen when I watch a race at what was once known as Alabama International Speedway. Oddly enough, I don’t feel that way at Daytona International Speedway. Maybe it’s the carnage I’ve witnessed at other races at Talladega; or maybe the excitement of a new season tempers my emotions has something to do with it. I always dread watching the races at Talladega, even though I don’t go there anymore.

    Back in the 80’s, I once saw Bill Elliott come from nearly two laps down to win going away. I remember Dale Earnhardt winning early in his career, but for some reason, branded on my memory is Larry Smith dying in a crash that looked not so bad. I remember Allison hitting that catchfence and thinking he was going into the crowd. I remember Brad Keselowski punting Carl Edwards, sending him airborne and into the fence.

    I’ll watch the race Sunday, but with fear of what might happen. On occasion, a surprise happens. David Ragan, James Hylton, and Jamie McMurray winning when all odds were against them, but holding one’s breath for almost three hours is not my cup of tea. Every time I heard Cale Yarborough say, “Thank the Lord for a good safe race,” as he did after almost every win, I thought of Talladega.

    So, like William Caleb Yarborough, I’ll say, “Thanks in advance, Lord for a safe race.” I hope it works.